Paul Young—Year C Advent 4


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Sunday, December 21, 2025 — Fourth Sunday of Advent
Matthew 1:18-25 NRSVUE

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Paul Young—Year C Advent 4

Anthony: Alright, let’s transition to the third passage of the month. It is Matthew 1:18–25. It is the Revised Common Lectionary passage for the fourth Sunday of Advent, December 21.

Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be pregnant from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to divorce her quietly. 20 But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: 23 “Look, the virgin shall become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel,” which means, “God is with us.” 24 When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife 25 but had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Jesus.

So, Paul, the incarnation of our Lord is staggering. Which is an understatement. And so, I just wanted to give you some time to just riff on the Word becoming flesh and if you can, make it personal, how has the incarnation of Jesus impacted your worldview, your life, your living?

Paul: I’m going to do you one better. I’m going to read a poem by my friend David Tensen out of Australia. And it’s called The Incarnation. And I think it says it in a way that you and I cannot. We can’t find the words for it.

Anthony: Yeah.

Paul: Because we, apart from the Incarnation, there is no hope. There’s absolutely no hope. And here’s how I like to put it. Unless we see an incarnation of something, we won’t believe that it’s possible. Unless we see somebody who lives an abundant life, we won’t believe it’s possible. We will wait, hoping that when we die, we will experience it.

This is the whole Hebrew scriptures coming up to the Incarnation — they were looking. Read Hebrews 11. They were seeking. They were looking for something that they couldn’t grasp. And this is why Jesus says, among all men born, John is the greatest, but the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

That’s because Hebrews 11 says, we got it. We got to see the revelation of God in Jesus. If you want to have a clear view of the nature of the Father, it’s Jesus, and I cannot, and you cannot. I know you, and Anthony, you talk about this all the time. You have to put on the lenses to look at the nature of God, the lenses being Jesus. That’s when everything came together.

And those who are inside of that, in that sense, are greater because they have now been embraced in the reality of the Incarnation — God, fully becoming human, being fully God. So here is David’s poem, David Tensen.

The Incarnation by David Tensen

Take all your hope and longing;

cover it in blood, urine, faeces, straw.

Cut the chord to your dreams

with a field knife or clenched jaw.

Here lays the King of the Jews.

Crowned between thighs,

Held in arms of exhaustion.

Bathed with tears, sweat

and the soft tones

of a mother

singing songs

of deliverance

between breaths

as the King of Glory

feeds folded at her breast.

What newborn would you not

bend a knee for? What labouring mother

would not make room for? Here’s how God

chose to be with His beloved;

in a state of utter surrender

and dependence;

making His way into the world

through a uterus. Trading a heavenly crown

for one of mucus. Later, finding

woven thorns pushed in its place as,

once again, God surrenders

to the fulness of humanity’s mess –

reconciling it all

to Himself;

counting no soul’s sin

against them.

Anthony: Trading the crown for one of mucus. Wow. Hallelujah. And you had said earlier, Paul, where is Jesus? Where is he? Where’s the kingdom? And this text tells us that he is Emmanuel, he is God with us. We see it in Jesus. And we know it’s present by the Spirit, that God is here, he’s there. And the church has this doctrine of omnipresence, which makes separation by the way illogical. It makes no sense. Right? He’s here. Hallelujah. And I guess you’ve been talking about this all along, but what else would you say about how this reveals the Father’s heart, that God is here?

Paul: I just got back from Switzerland and a year ago, I baptized a 13-year-old, part of a family that has adopted me as sort of a grandfather. I was involved in a documentary about sexual abuse with the mom, and this year I got to baptize the oldest of the three daughters. When I left, the young, the middle daughter hugged me and she said, I’m next. And so, they’re trying to make me come back — which I will — but when I was baptizing both those girls, a thought that had never occurred to me, occurred to me.

And that, say, in the 13-year-old, who dwells in that 13-year-old? It’s the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; it’s Jesus who dwells within her. And what is in Jesus? Not anything that has come into being has come into being apart from him. So, the entire cosmos is in him and he is in her, this 13-year-old. And as I laid her down into the water, waters of death, and up into the true life of resurrection, in that symbol, I am again reenacting the baptizing of all creation in Christ in this 13-year-old girl. What does that tell me about the Father? It tells me that the Father is all in. All in!

Anthony: Yes.

Paul: And that there is no separation between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And when people look at the symbol of the trinity and you ask them where are we? Where are we in that design? And some people might say, we are in the middle, but guess what? There’s nothing in the middle, nothing. Where are we? We are in Christ. That’s how our participation is sealed — in him. And all of creation was created in him. And the Father loves the Son, loves the Son, and therefore loves us in that one picture. All in.

Anthony: All in. All in. Everything hinges on the love of the Father to the Son, and we get to receive that. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

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